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Alien Abduction - Do You Believe?

Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:04 AM EST
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By Grisham
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Alien abductions cases are more widespread than many people realize. Many of the claims are clearly fraudulent, but some stick out as being more credible. According to some surveys, as many as 5% of the population might have been abducted during their life. More conservative estimates say that close to 2000 people have been successfully abducted by extraterrestrials - or at least claim to have been.

Why would extraterrestrials bother to abduct humans?

Anyone who has contemplated the chances of possible alien abductions has probably asked themselves why they would bother? After all, any species that could successfully achieve intergalactic travel would be far more advanced than we are. We would seem primitive in comparison.

I guess the most obvious answer would be to study us. We're more advanced than the Great White Shark who inhabits the oceans of this world, yet very little is known about them. Scientists tag and study the Great White and presumably, an extra terrestrial race might be as fascinated by us as we are of the 'lesser' species on our planet.

Some claim that abductees show peculiar traits that the alien visitors wish to study further or that they are implanting information subconsciously that the visitors can activate at a later date.

Also, some Ufologists believe that extraterrestrials have been around a very long time and that they've helped guide and shape our history - perhaps religiously, culturally and technologically.

Abduction procedure

Many of the stories differ in varying degrees, but most are eerily similar in nature. Many abductees report that they felt a strong urge to be in a specific place at a specific time. Some report higher anxiety and a sense of foreboding even though nothing has happened yet to make them feel this way.

In many cases, abductees report strange lights and sometimes a mist that accompanies it. They are then transported(or levitated sometimes through solid objects) to the awaiting ship.

In most abduction cases, abductees report being experimented on. The extra terrestrials seem to be most interested in the human reproductive system, the brain or cranium, the nervous system, our skin and our emotional responses.  Some abductees report being subjected to tests after the medical procedures, such as being forced to watch images on a screen or images that are somehow projected directly into the abductees mind.

After the tests are completed, abductees are usually returned to the same spot that they originally were abducted from. Sometimes (most times, really) abductees have no immediate knowledge of what has happened to them and realize that they're missing time after checking a time piece.

There are several cases of children who have reported being abducted. Some say they have been abducted twice - once when they were between the ages of 5 and 10 and then later, usually when they're reaching puberty. This has led some UFO buffs to conclude that the main focus of abductions is indeed to study our reproductive process.

After the abduction

Most abductees say they suffer from various things. Some say they suffer from post traumatic stress disorder, while others say they experience headaches and bad dreams where they remember more and more of their experiences while aboard the space craft.

Quite a few have undergone hypnosis as a form of therapy and to presumably try and remember the abduction events.

Here is a very interesting video I found. It's a radio broadcast of an interview of an alleged abductee.

Broadcast Date: Oct. 8, 1986

"Charlotte Brown" claims to have been abducted twice. Once when she was almost nine and again when she was 15. She tells CBC's Peter Gzowski how four-foot-six-inch extraterrestrials inserted a needle-like probe into her abdomen and a burr-shaped tracking device up her nostril. Charlotte Brown is not her real name. It all sounds totally off the wall admits Budd Hopkins, a well-known expert on alien abductions.

But having collected over 120 abduction cases, Hopkins says Charlotte's story follows a common and credible pattern. Physicist Stanton Friedman, one the world's leading ufologists, supports Hopkins and says experiences like Charlotte's are much more frequent than people may think. Gzowski sounds unconvinced.

Skeptics

Of course, there are a lot of skeptics that doubt alien abduction stories. They say that hypnosis is not a reliable method of recovering lost memories and that abductees could be recalling false memories. They also say that UFO culture may have an influence on the consistency between the different reports. Many skeptics try and are sometimes wildly successful in poking holes in an abductees story.

Dr. David Jacobs explains what his decades of research have uncovered about alien abductions and what the goal may be.

. "Alien Planet " is a cosmic expedition along side Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku, Jack Horner, Craig Venter, and George Lucas...

 

Whether you believe in alien abductions, life on other planets is pretty much a statistical certainty. The real question is whether they are close enough to abduct anything or whether we're just too far away. Until the answer is known for sure, alien abduction theories and mans quest to find intelligent life out there in the cosmos will continue.

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Grisham

I'll take the tinfoil hat off now. This piece (hopefully) was fun to read. I figured it was time to get away from the politics and religion that I normally write about and do something a little different. I hope you enjoyed it and all comments are welcome and appreciated.

  • 8 votes
#1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:05 AM EST
Grisham

And if this sort of stuff interests you, Stephen Hawkings Encountering Alien Life is another interesting show.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:08 AM EST
Coral Atlas

I believe as does Hawkings that alien life will not be benign.

Think about our attitude towards so-called lower froms of life on our planet or each other for that matter!

WE are the equivalent of the ants we step upon to other superior forms of life - likely even much less significant than the lives of ants are to us!

Why wouldn't a higher form of life use us for biological parts - as it's likely that other forms will have gone the route we are traveling in right now -only are far ahead of the curve ...

biology, robotics, genetics, dna, organ transplants, stem cell etc all lead to one thing - immortality and the effective merger of organic matter with inorganic matter .... just think a few hundred years ahead of where we are today

every life form on earth is being monitored right this moment ..... the methodology is pure science and I have my own theories on how it works ... it is beyond my and our comprehension - that much I can say assuredly.

The technology I envision would be highly abstract and would utilize light and sound and color .... we can extract some clues from current laser technology.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:00 AM EST
CPOSharkey

Good read Gris. My wife and I love the show Ancient Aliens and find that a good amount of what they propose has some very credible proof behind it. We look into the stars and can see stars and galaxies billions of years old, how could intelligent life not develop? There has to be many civilizations millions if not billions of years more advanced than we are and one could safely assume that they have obtained the means to travel the stars at will. Much as we are experimenting with DNA today why wouldn't these ancients do the same? As a scientist will pick a certain lab rat to experiment on and then check the results later I feel that the human race is basically just that, an experiment.

Now the big question is; is it an experiment that has failed and will the scientist chuck it out and start all over again?

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:12 AM EST
Grisham

I love ancient aliens. There's some good stuff in it, although much of it can have holes stuck in it pretty easily. I particularly like the ones that explore Egyptian and Sumerian history.

Coral Atlas,

Hit me with some of these theories you have. I'd love to hear them.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:30 AM EST
Walt42

Other forms of life within this universe may be a statistical certainty, but alien life visiting the Earth is more likely a statistical impossibility !!

Aspects of space travel, such as length of time to travel between star systems, planets which evolved within the 'goldilocks region', and conditions necessary for 'life' formation, all militate against such possibility.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:48 AM EST
Grisham

Yep, the distance is the problem. I think it was Hawking who said the way he could see it happening is if ancient civilizations had begun to migrate towards us. Over millions of years, they could have migrated close enough that distance wouldn't be as much of a factor. There's also other theories on space travel, such as wormholes, bending space and time etc.

Of course, we've only had a little over 100 thousand years to think it over and refine our technology. They could have a few billion year head start on us. LOL. There are galaxies billions of years older than we are.

Just some interesting thoughts.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:53 AM EST
Grisham

Walt,

Here's another thought. What if an advanced civilization had mastered the fusion of biological and mechanical systems. Scientists here have already begun to think of the possibilities of effectively transplanting our memories and personalities into a machine. Imagine how much faster you'd be able to bring up memories or do equations if you thought at the speed of a machine. Also, that would make them practically immortal, making time practically meaningless.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:03 AM EST
Coral Atlas

WE have to understand that our knowledge of knowledge itself is perverse.

Our knowledge is confined to what we THINK we know AND to what we think without knowing, or more accurately IMAGINE.

This entire conversation is meaningless as a consequence. ;-) all mankind's communications with one another are meaningless within the context of a universe that appears infinite.

As for my theories .... since they are personal they must remain mine - as they would be incomprehensible to anyone but myself.

Disclosing them is of no value ;-) I can only say that I have had experiences that I cannot comprehend as a human being.

Nor would any other human be capable of understanding the unknown. ;-)

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST
knightofdespair

At the moment our thoughts are faster than most computers and our sensory input and ability to interpret what we see not even close to being matched by computers... Yet... Of course 100 years ago the light bulb was a brand new invention and if we can ever fully develop a quantum computer and keep pushing moore's law then it is only a matter of time before we find ways to boost or amplify our intelligence.

The wild card is greed, throughout our entire history and especially today our own greed is our worst adversary and if anything will keep us from breaching the cloak of space and moving beyond this fragile marble to other worlds then the stupid practice of letting some lazy worthless SOB take 90% of what we all collectively earn will. Think how many trillions of dollars worth of resources are being wasted right now, and how many have been wasted throughout history. Imagine if those resources were instead poured into finding better ways to live longer, healthier, and challenge the laws of physics and quantum mechanics?

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:03 AM EST
Grisham

The wild card is greed, throughout our entire history and especially today our own greed is our worst adversary and if anything will keep us from breaching the cloak of space and moving beyond this fragile marble to other worlds

I agree. I think we're at a crucial time in our history - we will either be successful in changing our entire way of life or destroy ourselves by destroying our environment.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:25 AM EST
knightofdespair

If they are monitoring us (they almost certainly exist somewhere but due to the distances and the fact we have only been making radio freqency noise for 100 years they would almost have had to be close already to have any interaction) I envision something like 'the day the earth stood still' scenario... They have almost nothing to gain from making themselves known but may have interests in our resources and intervene if we destroy things past a certain point...

I have watched quite a few of the ancient aliens series and I find many of the topics they discuss pretty fascinating.. They bring quite a bit of evidence to the table that is not easily explained by mainstream explanations.. The one where they show stonework 50 feet under the ocean off the coast of Japan dating back 12,000 years is a good example. Mainstream science says at the time we were basically nomads with rock tools, yet there are many rocks that have been shaped and aligned to form a much more modern looking city under the ocean, there are also a pretty good amount of signs that the ancient world had more communication than science can explain. There is a pretty good chance that aliens might have had a role in seeding this planet with life or influencing the direction it has gone in.

I think that without overcoming our greedy tendencies we will probably never know, we simply will end up collapsing too many food and support chains that will ultimately lead to the crashing of our populations and wars that will take us back another 2000 years of progress if not more.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:36 AM EST
Walt42

Grisham...I like your article. But, I disagree about the possibility of aliens. Recent articles that I have read, along with: Strange New Worlds by Ray Jayawardhana. The astronomers reveal that within our immediate (Solar System) area, there are few stars and the chances of planets existing within the 'goldilocks' area is small. Reduce further the possibilities by need to have water environment and atmosphere. Then there is the problem of not only evolving sentient beings, but intelligence. Oh, and the ability (or desire) to explore off-planet. Nope, chances are infinitesimal.

While the lure of science fiction grabbed me at a young age, the cold reality of science has severely diminished that lure in recent years.

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:46 PM EST
MAXX-320489

"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof" carl sagan!

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:44 PM EST
knightofdespair

Side theory:

God exists, the world we know is similar to the matrix and the galaxies we see all around us are all simply illusions.

Would require a lot less resources, be a lot easier for God to know what we do and what we think.

    #1.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:00 PM EST
    Grisham

    God exists, the world we know is similar to the matrix

    As long as I get to do one of those slow motion dodgy things.

    • 2 votes
    #1.15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:39 PM EST
    TheJackel

    This entire conversation is meaningless as a consequence. ;-) all mankind's communications with one another are meaningless within the context of a universe that appears infinite.

    How is it meaningless if it's a part of it in every literal way?

    As for my theories .... since they are personal they must remain mine - as they would be incomprehensible to anyone but myself.

    Only because we can't duplicate your ideas in exact detail. Especially when you can't actually express them in such detail. But if you could, it would be faulty to say "incomprehensible".

    Nor would any other human be capable of understanding the unknown. ;-)

    Something unknown can't be understood simply because it's unknown and only exists as a concept or object of the mind.

    • 2 votes
    #1.16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:49 PM EST
    TheJackel

    there are few stars and the chances of planets existing within the 'goldilocks' area is small.

    Firstly, it's not necessary to be in the goldilocks zone.. We simply don't have the means to explore moon's of planets so far away. However, we have found such a planet already that is within the goldilocks zone.. Chances of other life is extremely high actually.

    • 3 votes
    #1.17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:53 PM EST
    Grisham

    I think we have another believer! Hi Jackel.

    • 2 votes
    #1.18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:44 AM EST
    TheJackel

    Hi Grisham :) ,

    And yes you have a believer here :P .. And my reasons are simple really. Simple since if existence allows for the possibility of our being here, within it's infinite vastness, or rules, it stands to reason that we are unlikely alone. When have we ever seen only one of something? You will find that more rare than when you can find two or more, like grains of sand flowing through the fingers of our hands at the beach as we teach our children how to build a castle made of sand..., a castle perhaps next to another built by some other family you may not even know. For every castle there may be a hundred more, and for every star and galaxy there are a billion more. This leaves us to question, how many universes are there? How many minds peer out into the infinite seeking the answers to the very same questions we so wonder about ourselves. If we are here, I simply ask why not the possibility? What is it that makes it so unbelievable to consider?

    • 4 votes
    #1.19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:29 AM EST
    TheJackel

    BTW, do I believe aliens visited Earth? Not likely. But you never know, we could be just a subatomic particle in another beings universe.

    • 4 votes
    #1.20 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:38 AM EST
    Walt42

    Jackel...it is great to have hypotheses, but it is better to have them based on scientific observation. I refer you to the book I mentioned above.

    • 2 votes
    #1.21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:39 AM EST
    TheJackel

    but it is better to have them based on scientific observation.

    Mine are based on scientific observation O_o .. Scientifically conscious living beings are possible. Existence allows it to be possible. The observation, according to the evidence is that it's more than likely that we are not alone. It would be nice to prove it scientifically that we are not alone, but that may never be in the realm of possibility for us. I would even say we have less odds in confirming other intelligent beings out there than the odds of them actually existing.

    chances are infinitesimal.

    You wouldn't exist if this were true. Infinitesimal in this discussion really isn't applicable. This argument relies solely on our own Galaxy to which has millions of stars like our own sun. I will say that intelligent life as capable as the human species may very well be rare, but to say it's infinitesimally unlikely is nonsense. :)

    • 3 votes
    #1.22 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:47 AM EST
    Walt42

    Jackel...I don't want to be too critical, but you really need to read a few books on astronomy and exobiology.

    When you write:

    Mine are based on scientific observation

    It is somewhat confused by:

    it's more than likely that we are not alone. It would be nice to prove it scientifically that we are not alone,

    Also, I would point out:

    Infinitesimal in this discussion really isn't applicable

    Is very incorrect. It is the 'billions and billions of stars in the galaxy' and 'billions and billions of galaxies in the universe' (as Carl Sagan said) that creat such huge numbers (10E9 times 10E9-where E is the power by which the numbers are multiplied) gives 10 with eighteen zeros after it. Given such a great number, it is a statistical certainty that 'life' as we would describe it, exists within this universe-WHERE is another matter. What I'm saying is that given the conditions that work against 'life' being 'common', such as: star of proper size, planet in the 'goldilocks zone', requirement that carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and some metals exist, water (a necessity), millions or billions of years to allow spontaneous life, enough time for evolution of sentient beiings, and a few other possible necessity: source of power, such as coal or oil-to provide heat and energy for electricity; breathable atmosphere; intelligence evolution. You see, simply thinking these conditions would easily exist in any star system goes against the statistical possibilities that astronomers and exobiologists are finding.

    • 3 votes
    #1.23 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 6:38 PM EST
    TheJackel

    Jackel...I don't want to be too critical, but you really need to read a few books on astronomy and exobiology.

    I've read more than a few books. One big flaw in many of them is that Life could possibly exist on moons outside the Goldilocks zone. Hence, we are not just limited to "Planets". Moons can have atmospheres and liquid water.

    Is very incorrect. It is the 'billions and billions of stars in the galaxy' and 'billions and billions of galaxies in the universe' (as Carl Sagan said) that creat such huge numbers (10E9 times 10E9-where E is the power by which the numbers are multiplied) gives 10 with eighteen zeros after it.

    Which in reality means nothing when considering chaos theory. You can also possibly have just as many universes like our own.

    What I'm saying is that given the conditions that work against 'life' being 'common', such as: star of proper size, planet in the 'goldilocks zone', requirement that carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and some metals exist, water (a necessity), millions or billions of years to allow spontaneous life, enough time for evolution of sentient beiings, and a few other possible necessity: source of power, such as coal or oil-to provide heat and energy for electricity; breathable atmosphere; intelligence evolution.

    I fully understand what you are trying to say, but giving that existence itself is infinite, the probability of other intelligent life other than our own is pretty much a statistical guarantee.

    You see, simply thinking these conditions would easily exist in any star system goes against the statistical possibilities that astronomers and exobiologists are finding.

    I never said they can exist in "any star system". What I told you is that you cannot place limits to just planets in the goldilocks zone, or just planets in general..

    http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=9346
    http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=1212
    http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=1013

    On the Goldilocks Zone:

    http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=9687

    Abstract:

    The Goldilocks Zone seemed a remarkably small region of space. It didn't even include the whole Earth. All life known in those days was confined to certain limits: no colder than Antarctica and no hotter than scalding water, for instance. Today, however, scientists have discovered organisms living in environments that were previously thought to be too extreme for life. Now we know that some microbes can survive in nuclear reactors, boiling-hot water and even highly acidic environments. This month NASA researchers have announced a new species of extreme-loving microorganism, Tindallia californiensis, found in California's highly salty and alkaline Mono Lake.

    By studying life in extreme environments on Earth, scientists hope to understand how life could survive in similar locations on other worlds like Mars and Europa.

    You also have organism like the Water bear to which have been shown to survive the vacuum of space for 10 days. And this include the possibility of such organisms being capable of surviving within comets, moons, or Asteroids:

    http://www.asiantribune.com/node/13328

    Such extreme organisms tell us that for life to start, conditions don't need to be perfect, or even require a sunny 70 degree day. We also have this:

    http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=10129

    Abstract:

    According to a new report, eukaryotic cells resulted from the fusion of genomes from an ancient bacterium and a simpler microbe, Archaea, best known for its ability to withstand extreme temperatures and hostile environments. The researchers estimate that the fusion occurred at least 2 billion years ago.

    Archaea are of immense interest to astrobiologists who study extremophiles. Determining what enables these microbes to thrive under extreme conditions may help scientists understand how life could survive in harsh environments on other planets. The new research also sheds light on the evolution of life on our own planet. The development of eukaryotic cells allowed for the evolution of multi-cellular organisms, which was a major event in the evolution of the terrestrial ecosystem.

    Now the only reason why we search for life based on the Goldilocks Zones is because those are the best chances we have to find another habitable planet at this time. It's not specifically necessary to have life evolve on a planet in this zone. This greatly alters the odds of alien life. This to which the odds equation you mentioned doesn't account for... There might even be planets like GAS Giants in the Goldilocks Zone to which might have habitable moons. Again, these are things that were not thought about when that equation was made.

    Especially when you can have living organisms living off radiation:

    http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=9384

    Abstract:

    Microbes that live off radiation have been discovered several kilometers below ground, microbiologist Tullis Onstott of Princeton University announced at a gathering of the American Geophysical Union. The microorganisms make their homes in water squeezed within rock. "It's a completely novel system for supporting life," commented deep-sea microbiologist John Baross. "Anywhere you have a crust with uranium and water in it, you have the potential for life," claimed Onstott. Such conditions might be found under the surface of Mars. The two researchers were quoted in a report in Nature Science Update. Determining the range of conditions where life can exist is a major thrust of astrobiology.

    Life could be very common in the universe. Intelligent life likely not nearly as common. But I definitely doubt on the scale of being infinitesimal.

    • 4 votes
    #1.24 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 7:45 PM EST
    Walt42

    Jackel...it isn't just 'life' in any form that we are discussing. While there are examples of living creatures under extremely severe conditions, they are unlikely to evolve to a higher form. This thread is about 'aliens'. I have, therefore, been discussing sentient life forms, capable of human level of though, or greater. My statements have been to point out that, while exobiologists and astronomers can find stars, with planets within the goldilocks zone, there still has to be several other, quite unlikely, circumstances necessary to evolving life forms with human-level thinking. Capable of developing science and engineering AND the tools to use such abilities. For example, a planet with very little silica could not develop glass-a great hindrance for inventing telescopes, even if their intelligence can see how it would be used.

    • 1 vote
    #1.25 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 2:01 PM EST
    TheJackel

    they are unlikely to evolve to a higher form.

    You actually have no means to suggest that btw.

    This thread is about 'aliens'.

    I am fully aware of that.

    I have, therefore, been discussing sentient life forms, capable of human level of though, or greater.

    This was never argued as not being rare in this Universe. I argued specifically in reference to the entire picture of reality itself in it's entirety. But again, statistical odds mean nothing in a system of chaos.
    Impossible rare things happen all the time.

    * human-level thinking

    * For example, a planet with very little silica could not develop glass-a great hindrance for inventing telescopes, even if their intelligence can see how it would be used.

    You don't need silica to make glass.. Many of which are typically lighter than silica glass, or glass made of about 75% silica. But this wouldn't be an argument against the existence of sentient beings. Hence, they could be primitive and still be sentient... May I ask why it's necessary for something to be as advanced as the human race in order for it to be considered sentient, or an Alien? I don't recall stipulating those requirements in my arguments :/

    • 2 votes
    #1.26 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:48 PM EST
    Walt42

    I though we were discussing 'aliens' visiting Earth. I was pointing out the statistical improbability of such happening. If you insist that 'chaos theory' overcomes statistical improbability, we have nothing more to discuss. Bye.

    • 1 vote
    #1.27 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 9:48 AM EST
    TheJackel

    I though we were discussing 'aliens' visiting Earth. I was pointing out the statistical improbability of such happening.

    Ahh, I see... I do believe that I pretty much stated that was highly unlikely also: #1.20 I think we certainly agree there :)

    • 3 votes
    #1.28 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM EST
    storyartist

    knightofdespair ----

    Side theory:

    God exists, the world we know is similar to the matrix and the galaxies we see all around us are all simply illusions.

    I've not given this topic a lot of extended thought, but comment #1.14 would come closest to my belief. And I know this will seem very simplistic and Hollywood, but I saw what I believe depicted somewhat in a movie scene during Contact. Ellie is *beamed* down onto the alien planet to interact with a character who is her father, yet not her father. She reaches up to the beautiful sky to find it's a jello-like ripple effect. Her *father* explains this illusion is their attempt at communication, to recreate the world she knows and loves in order to have a chat.

    When I first learned about Einstein and the theory of the time/space fabric, this took shape for me. How whatever is "real" has moved into this experimental world of "science" that is the fabric of time and space, which includes the galaxies and beyond. And all that is illusion, going both outside into the universe and inside to molecules. The further we explore into the universe, we explore inside our body's molecules -- and the result is really the same about the time/space factors. Molecules are mostly composed of space, and what we see is mostly illusion.

    In order to experience this world, we're given the senses: seeing, hearing, taste, touch, etc. The camera lenses in our eyes reflect back to us the image that we need to communicate, much like Ellie on the beach of the alien planet.

    So when I think of alien abduction, I don't see a superior intelligence within this illusionary science experiment to be any more than that, and I have no fear or curiosity. I'm more curious about what's beyond the science. Beyond the time/space fabric, which cannot be imagined in our own form, with our human motives (war, our emotions, etc)

    That's not to say that I don't believe there are people who interact and have experiences. I've thought more about ghosts than about aliens entering our world. I believe there are tears in the time/space fabric, just like in any fabric woven together, where seepage between the two sides occur. These are the curtains that "ghosts" pass between where time is divided out in the fabric. And ghosts are like the Hopi culture, whose language has no word for time, and whose verbs have no past/present/future tenses, as all is concurrent.

    • 2 votes
    #1.29 - Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:19 AM EST
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    Fla Pat

    Why would extraterrestrials bother to abduct humans?

    To taste them? I always taste something new before I actually eat it.

    Good article BTW, this stuff is fascinating.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:15 AM EST
    Grisham

    It really is fascinating. I love this topic and watch everything I can find on this sort of stuff. Kinda a whacky hobby of mine but it's a lot of fun.

    • 3 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:32 AM EST
    knightofdespair

    Lol taste might not necessarily involve eating :\

    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:04 AM EST
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    Luther28

    I am not so arrogant as to dismiss anything out of hand, always of the mind that no matter how far reaching, anything is possible. Having said that, this is one of those areas that stretch my outlook.

    The evidence would be more compelling, there should be greater eye witness accounts etc.. But the main stumbling point for me is that based on humankind's performance throughout our history, I would think they would want to steer as far clear of us as possible, lest our stupidity infect them.

    But as I said, anything is possible.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:49 AM EST
    Grisham

    The evidence would be more compelling, there should be greater eye witness accounts etc..

    There are literally thousands of eyewitness accounts as well as mass sightings. Just no concrete evidence as of yet. The closest I've ever seen is the Phoenix Lights.

    But the main stumbling point for me is that based on humankind's performance throughout our history, I would think they would want to steer as far clear of us as possible, lest our stupidity infect them.

    LOL. Or maybe our stupidity is part of the allure. I would guess any extraterrestrial race would have suffered through the ups and downs we have. Studying us might be a bit like us studying our earliest relatives.

    • 5 votes
    #3.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:28 AM EST
    CPOSharkey

    Perhaps it's just watching over your children.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 6:09 AM EST
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    CommisarCain

    There is no evidence that aliens even exist.

      Reply#4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:03 AM EST
      Grisham

      Never said there was. It's meant to be a fun and hopefully interesting subject. You need to lighten up, bro. Not everything has to be a serious topic.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:29 AM EST
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      etva

      Enjoyed the read, Grish. I don't dismiss the possibility of alien life, but I'm more skeptical about our interpretations of their actions and intentions. We tend to view them through our perceptions and world view, but alien denotes something radically different to me, and potentially incomprehensible to us.

      I also don't assume that they would "travel through space" in a manner that we expect, using technology as we perceive it.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:17 AM EST
      Grisham

      We tend to view them through our perceptions and world view, but alien denotes something radically different to me, and potentially incomprehensible to us.

      Very true. I guess because we're the only thing we know of to base our assumptions on.

      I also don't assume that they would "travel through space" in a manner that we expect, using technology as we perceive it.

      Or even if they would still be a biological organism at all.

      Admit it, you're a believer! LOL

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:22 AM EST
      etva

      Admit it, you're a believer!

      LOL! I believe that eventually, mankind will comprehend that everything is connected, and we will find that there was some truth to all of these myths, legends and stories, but that we initially failed to put the pieces together properly to comprehend them, because of our very limited perceptions.

      • 4 votes
      #5.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:49 AM EST
      Grisham

      Oh my dear side-stepping etva. Look into the big alien eye at the top of the page. He wants you to believe. He WILLS it.

      The truth is out there.

      • 2 votes
      #5.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:56 AM EST
      etva

      LOL! I'm not a side-stepper! I'm an independent ET, sitting on the fence, watching the charades, and shaking my head at the hubris on both sides:)

      Look into the big alien eye at the top of the page.

      Yikes! [ETVA peering in the mirror to make sure she doesn't look like that!]

      • 3 votes
      #5.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST
      Grisham

      *Grisham is too busy foaming at the mouth like an alien zealot to answer etva's post*

      • 2 votes
      #5.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:07 AM EST
      etva

      LOL!

      [etva sends Wiki with the Kiss of Life to bring Grish back to reality]

      Oh, I foresee a new Wiki Adventure... *evil grins*

      • 3 votes
      #5.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:37 AM EST
      Grisham

      Ruh Roh!

      • 3 votes
      #5.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:35 PM EST
      Reply
      Moby's ManCave

      Man, I love reading about stuff like this... super cool article! The question, at least for me, is not if they exist, but where do they exist? Where are the little buggers hiding? I always think of the opening scenes from the more recent "War of the Worlds" were they are checking us out over a long period of time from some distant planet or ship. Maybe they are here right now, you know, living amoung us. Too cool! :)

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST
      Grisham

      Maybe they are here right now, you know, living amoung us. Too cool! :)

      More than one alleged abductee said that after the medical tests they were subjected to visual images of kids playing or regular scenes. They were asked if they saw anything out of the ordinary in the scenes they were being shown. At first they didn't understand the question but later realized that some of those being shown in the pictures could have been extra terrestrials made to look like us.

      Yeah, this stuff is fascinating to me. The possibilities are nearly endless.

      • 5 votes
      #6.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST
      cjcold

      Actually, you have been made to look like us. DNA will tell.

      • 2 votes
      #6.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM EST
      out of luck-3818251

      Who's to say I'm not an alien here to check you out? Your species is a little out of control at times. Learn peace.

        #6.3 - Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:18 PM EST
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        American Spirit

        I find them hard to 'believe' but where there is smoke there is fire. I think the possibility exists they could be a type of future human time travelin' predator.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:22 AM EST
        Boatrocker

        Alien abduction enjoys as much credibility and evidential support as anything in the Bible.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:33 AM EST
        Grisham

        You exist. That's proof that life exists. There are billions of planets and suns. Statistically, there's a very good chance of life on other planets more advanced than we are. That means more credibility to the idea. When the government sets up SETI, the Pope says there might be alien life on other planets (totally against the stance the church has taken since it began) and credible scientists like Stephen Hawking all say the same thing, it lends credibility to the idea.

        • 3 votes
        #8.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:38 PM EST
        Boatrocker

        Oh, I agree, with what I hope is open-minded skepticism. I was commenting more on the religious types who accept the Bible as literal, infallible truth, but laugh in deriion at notions of other life forms or extraterrestrial intelligence.

        • 2 votes
        #8.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:39 PM EST
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        Kavika

        It's called a parallel universe...We simply travel between the two, we are our own aliens...

        • 3 votes
        Reply#9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:50 AM EST
        etva

        Paradoxically speaking, I agree! *grins*

        • 1 vote
        #9.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST
        Grisham

        Could be friend, Kav. Could be...

        • 1 vote
        #9.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:38 PM EST
        Kavika

        LOL etva....

        • 2 votes
        #9.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:01 PM EST
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        Lebowsky

        Good article Grisham, I enjoyed the read and love to fantasize about what encounters might be like. Someday that may be very cool or not so, but in the mean time, if there have been alien abductions, big if there, it certainly would explain a few things. Not to turn a good article into anything political, I will stop there :o)

        • 1 vote
        Reply#10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:23 AM EST
        Grisham

        Many think an actual encounter wouldn't be good news for us. But you never know. It's a fun topic to play around with though. FR sent too, Lebowsky.

        • 2 votes
        #10.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:39 PM EST
        Lebowsky

        Galdly accepted Grisham, I am going to keep dreaming :o)

        • 1 vote
        #10.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:08 PM EST
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        HollyKl

        One of the things that has always interested me about alien abduction stories is that the aliens actually return the abductees. This would seem to indicate that the aliens have a much higher regard for their lab animals than we do for ours. Unless, of course, the earth is nothing more than a giant alien lab and they are just throwing the "rats" back into the slime. :)

        Fun article, Grish.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:48 PM EST
        etva

        LOL! Good point, Holly!

        • 3 votes
        #11.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:16 PM EST
        Grisham

        LOL

        I think the conspiracy theory behind being let go is that they insert devices or other things and track the abductees movements. I guess sort of like we do with animals when we tag and release.

        • 3 votes
        #11.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:18 PM EST
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        KElane

        This would seem to indicate that the aliens have a much higher regard for their lab animals than we do for ours.

        HOOT! Laugh right out loud! Though I do not believe in aliens, I couldn't help--almost choked!--over this excellent observation/come back. Very well done Holly!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST
        HollyKl

        LOL! Glad you got a laugh out of it. :)

        • 1 vote
        #12.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:29 PM EST
        KElane

        :0-)

        • 2 votes
        #12.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:09 PM EST
        Reply
        coloradoan-1141358

        Grisham,

        Good article! I really do love this stuff! Will have to wait till I get home to watch the Hawking link. Oh, and yes, mark me down as one that believes that aliens do exist.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:36 PM EST
        cjcold

        We have met the aliens and they is us.

        • 2 votes
        #13.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:45 PM EST
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        mrsrachelm

        I tend to lean more to believing there is sentient life elsewhere in the universe. It is a belief/opinion only as there's no way to prove it or disprove it at this point.

        As far as abductions are concerned.....I would never call someone a liar for claiming to have been abducted by aliens from other worlds nor can I state with any factual certainty that such has not/could not happen.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:10 PM EST
        katrix

        I think the odds are that there is, as mrsrachelm stated, sentient life elsewhere in the universe. However, I'm very skeptical of any alien abduction claims and tend to think of possible mental illness in those who claim to have been abducted. Besides, even if so many of them haven't been proven to be making it up, I think we'd have found some kind of evidence at this point if we had been visited by aliens.

        I do enjoy this topic. I remember liking the book "Chariots of the Gods!" as a kid before I got smarter and realized Von Daniken is not exactly an authoritative source. I also remember a book called Strangely Enough that had a bunch of short stories about eerie things happening. One story was called "New England's Darkest Day." I always assumed, growing up, that the cause of that was a volcano, but it turns out it was too short-lived for that, and has now been shown to have been a wildfire. Thanks Grish - I hadn't thought of that book in years, and I just went on Amazon and bought it for my sister for a Christmas present! It's used, so I can get away with sneaking and reading it before I wrap it.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:08 PM EST
        Grisham

        Katrix,

        Love the used book idea. I wil have to use this strategy in the future. :)

        No...seriously...that coffee stain was there when I bought it, Dad!

        • 3 votes
        #15.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST
        katrix

        Hah! I would have bought her a new copy, but it's out of print and I couldn't find one. Besides, this way it has the same cover with the eyeball that she'll remember!

        Speaking of books, there's a contest going on over at my column that you might want to enter. The winner gets a NEW copy of "An Exaltation of Larks."

        • 2 votes
        #15.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:15 PM EST
        Grisham

        Ohhhhhhh heading there now!!!!

        • 2 votes
        #15.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:36 PM EST
        Reply
        roybokhade

        Without a breakthrough in faster than light technology, the amount of energy and time it would take for interstellar travel makes it unlikely that we are being visited by extraterrestrials. It would be easier and cheaper, albeit more lengthy, to simply send a signal to your neighbors. When I do my own personal Drake equation I come up with an answer of 3 for our galaxy, us and 2 others. I think there is intelligent life out there just not in great abundance due to the universe being a dangerous place.

        I also enjoy Ancient Aliens, though they do seem to be recycling some of their evidence under different show titles. Also, what's up with that guys hair? It gets taller and taller with each passing season/episode.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST
        lost in America-3937007

        I thoroughly enjoy some types of science fiction, but as a rule I am not really into aliens or abduction. I'm more inclined to believe a conspiracy theory such as the "Manchurian Candidate".

        There is some interesting information about unexplained phenomena that could be attributed to aliens or a master race. But I am inclined to believe that if aliens were as advanced as we believe they would be, there would be some documentable evidence.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:43 PM EST
        Grisham

        But I am inclined to believe that if aliens were as advanced as we believe they would be, there would be some documentable evidence.

        Hmmm good point. I'd be inclined to take the opposite view. The more advanced technologically, the more easily they could avoid detection.

        • 2 votes
        #17.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:19 PM EST
        Lebowsky

        :o) That poor bear that gets darted walking down main street and then wakes up in the woods has no idea what the hay happened.

        • 2 votes
        #17.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:36 PM EST
        lost in America-3937007

        I guess they could be avoiding detection, but why? Maybe to give the conspiracy theorists something to think about.

        Lebowski, exactly!!! They convinced him it was aliens and not the government.

        • 1 vote
        #17.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:44 PM EST
        Grisham

        I guess they could be avoiding detection, but why? Maybe to give the conspiracy theorists something to think about

        To feed the corporate tinfoil hat makers.

        Not sure. Maybe because they don't want to disrupt what's going on. Seriously, just imagine if a space ship dropped on in. There would be total anarchy - the government would lose control, people would panic, the church would fall, power structures would be in serious jeopardy. It would be like us trying to study ants by stepping on the nest.

        I guess that's why Star Trekians had that prime directive thing that said they weren't allowed to directly interfere in a more primitive culture. Once they'd reached similar technological levels, they were invited into the federation.

        • 3 votes
        #17.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:53 PM EST
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        MoCowgirl-1193719

        I "re-connected" with a school friend last year a couple of years ago at our 35th class reunion at our NW Arkansas school.

        A couple of months ago we were talking about this topic and she gave me a detailed account of an encounter that she and one of our other classmates had with a UFO back in 1971. They had tried to tell us at school the day after it happened and got the typical harassment that I suspect most people receive if they try to talk about an UFO encounter and shut up about it.

        My (ex) husband and a friend of his saw something similar in the early 70s in northern Missouri when they were checking cattle one night.

        In the late 1980s, in February, we had a 550 lb steer mutilated in a field where the cattle were fed and checked every day. An ear, penis and anus was removed with surgical precision... not a drop of blood anywhere. There were 3 houses within one to two hundred yards of where the steer lay .... a couple of dozen steers ran through fences, and the other 50 still in the field were probably was bawling and running while the steer was being mutilated .... yet no one heard or saw anything.

        We had a vet come out and check the carcass. He verified that it was a true mutilation and told us of the congressional hearings because of the frequency of this happening in the US. The vet really believed that aliens were responsible. I was skeptical that it was aliens....yet, looking at the carcass and the evidence (or lack thereof), I figured it was as good of an explanation as any other ... especially since the number 2 accepted explanation was satanic cults and the number 3 explanation was US covert military action.

        I knew we supposedly had satan worshipers in the area in the 80s. According to the media, satan worshipers were everywhere back in the 80s, and were blamed for everything possible. However, I don't care how "evil" these people supposedly were or how "talented", this 550 lb steer would have literally ate their lunch coming and going if they could have ever got close enough to him in a 30 acre pasture to get a rope on him.... there was no bullet / knife wounds and no rope burns.

        I suppose the US military could have been doing this if they had the proper equipment for some strange reason such as making people fearful of those evil satan worshipers, or just creating fear in the farming/ranching community and the US in general?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation

        Cattle mutilation (also known as bovine excision[1]) is the apparent killing and mutilation of cattle under unusual or anomalous circumstances. Sheep and horses have allegedly been mutilated under similar circumstances.

        A hallmark of these incidents is the surgical nature of the mutilation, and unexplained phenomena such as the complete draining of the animal's blood, loss of internal organs with no obvious point of entry, and surgically precise removal of the reproductive organs and anal coring. Another reported event is that the animal is found dumped in an area where there are no marks or tracks leading to or from the carcass, even when it is found in soft ground or mud. The surgical-type wounds tend to be cauterized by an intense heat and made by very sharp/precise instruments, with no bleeding evident. Often flesh will be removed to the bone in an exact manner, consistent across cases, such as removal of flesh from around the jaw exposing the mandible.

        Since the time that reports of purported animal mutilations began, the causes have been attributed variously to natural decomposition, normal predators, cryptid predators (like theChupacabra), extraterrestrials, secretive governmental or military agencies, and cults. "Mutilations" have been the subject of two independent federal investigations in the United States[

        Charles Fort collected many accounts of cattle mutilations that occurred in England in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

        Reports of mutilated cattle first surfaced in the United States in the early 1960s when it was allegedly largely confined to the states of Pennsylvania and Kansas.[citation needed] The phenomenon remained largely unknown outside cattle raising communities until 1967, when the Pueblo Chieftain in Pueblo, Colorado published a story about a horse named Lady who was mutilated in mysterious circumstances, which was then picked up by the wider press and distributed nationwide; this case was also the first to feature speculation thatextraterrestrial beings and unidentified flying objects were associated with mutilation.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#18 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:52 AM EST
        Grisham

        That's super interesting. I'll have to look up more on cattle mutilation and the like. I can see why the doctor might think it was aliens - no blood or evidence and all.

        • 2 votes
        #18.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:59 AM EST
        MoCowgirl-1193719

        Grisham,

        I can assure you that it scared me when I saw that steer and the total lack of human or animal cause. My (ex) husband and I were called out frequently at night to check on cattle, pull calves or occasionally put cattle back in their fields. We always had guns in the truck in case of predators .... but somehow I don't think that we were well enough armed to take on whatever was responsible for that mutilated steer.

        My neighbor also had a large heifer mutilated. He wrote his loss off as being done by devil worshipers because someone had painted "666" on a large real estate billboard next to his property.

        • 2 votes
        #18.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:18 AM EST
        Grisham

        What was your friends story?

        I'm in UFO ecstasy right now. LOL

        • 2 votes
        #18.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:34 AM EST
        MoCowgirl-1193719

        Grisham,

        I will have to call her and have her tell me again since I don't remember the exact details.

        My friends were not abducted .... but they did see a spacecraft with multicolored lights that hovered just above the ground and "followed" them a hundred yards down a dirt road back to her house after 11 pm one day when they had sneaked out of the house after her parents had gone to sleep.

        • 3 votes
        #18.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:49 AM EST
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        Abby.

        I'm a believer.
        To not believe in the possibility of ETL would make me extremely arrogant & narrow minded, in my view.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#19 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:54 AM EST
        Grisham

        I knew I could count on you to share my delusions...er...mindset, Abbster. :)

        • 5 votes
        #19.1 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 4:55 AM EST
        Abby.

        Well, I'm not about to start lying,(the truth gets me into enough shyte) & I don't care if folk think I'm looney-tunes, so I had to admit to believing.
        *hugs*
        :D

        • 4 votes
        #19.2 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:01 AM EST
        lloyd-3730046

        Abby/ Grisham

        I guess I have to request charter membership in your "looney Tunes" club.

        To not believe in the possibility of ETL would make me extremely arrogant & narrow minded, in my view.

        I would agree. Not sure about the abductions though...

        • 1 vote
        #19.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:08 PM EST
        Abby.

        Welcome to the Looney Tunes Club, Lloyd!
        *giggle*

        • 2 votes
        #19.4 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 5:33 PM EST
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        Castor Bridge

        Humans have way too much hubris. If there were aliens capable of traveling through space faster than the speed of light, why would they be interested in us? We are trying to assign human motivations to alien life forms. A trait that all humanity shares is to want to assign human motivations to animals and objects.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#20 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:43 PM EST
        Viewer01

        It's a big galaxy in a big universe, so there has to be someone else out there. But in that case they would have a lot more interesting things to bother with then us.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:13 PM EST
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